okay my means time to go through interaction
here today sanders risk connected you recent paper and symbolic interaction focused on relationship with
how
thank you very much here with us and talk state
should be top
together with you about what are the sixties how is present or
as well as your experiences
but is six use what was like the heyday of sociology so my cohort when
i came into northwestern and sixty six
head over sixty people
and how we how we come to what was to your before
so at a party bernie back says talk to predict back about what i'm interested
says you need to meet how it back or
and i at that time i didn't actually know how you back or was that
northwestern head
i read outsider's because i was kind of interest rate one
and
but i didn't where is the results of great
but i never
got to much cm other than you know like
in the halls
and tilt is filled fieldwork course that essentially everybody had to take
and it was it was a great course because you come in the first day
and how is there may be due to smoking at the time
you hold the cigarette as mouth and
squint against the smoke and there were twenty some odd students and he said
that we had
to by the next meeting get out into the have been in the field and
bring back a few minutes
none was seven with you
slightest i have the slightest idea what that meant
but it seems like
get kicked into the pool
that is
well some sometimes fire sometimes i swear it is i think it was very scary
for all of us and i think that's what's that the really the first important
lesson you learned doing fieldwork is that it incredibly scary
and it requires a lot of courage
one for all of us to involved kerching a less for me because i decided
i was involved in the club folk musician world so i decided that that's what
i've got
other people and certainly much students
and my fieldwork course or are really scared by the experience
it seems to me
for you please use a you know writers was somewhat but also location paper we
had a great intellectual
into a more pure approach
so
what we compare this specifically way you approach
however was very non directive
what we didn't read anything in the field were course he didn't say okay these
you're the text so this is stuff if the user articles you have to read
we just given up higher like a bibliographic pile
and if
few for some of that looked interesting to read it
or if it words you found to be useful
but most of what the course involved was
how we setting
what's been going on this week
and he would listen very carefully to this story sweet l is basically a narrative
process and he would
make points on the out of the stories
and so the learning was very kind of back and forth and we were as
responsible for the process of learning is as he wants
so was very
in the same way he views
a field work as an inter tree iterative process
he view the course itself as an iterative
i guess there's always you can be approached by your re one would be
the one proposed in particular
another would be
we use you can call type of self interest
motivation past
i feel for what we want to assume responsibility everything anything that might not directly
right he was very much against a going into the field with preconceived notions
having what he talked about is having an agenda
he wasn't it he wasn't really for a genders
i you can't going to any feel
without some kind of basic idea of what's going on there
but a lot of those if you're good field work are those basic ideas
go away pretty so you're new find
that that's not important but this other stuff that you had no idea about it's
really important
so how it talks about
what he called sentimentality and how you had to avoid sentimentality
which was essentially these preconceived notions of and political preconceived notions
better actors blinders so you don't see what's really important
and i one because there are very interesting for applications especially six
but first i wanna ask questions from
you comment on how we use my response stress clash
in this was a very interesting question answer how to the style we use six
for you have to use more how we how good i
i think being as smart as how it is
is a real advantage in doing that i think you one can pull it off
and i kind of half arsed way
by in the same way
and non directive psychiatrist pulls it off
or what do you think about that the send a private but how it was
much better than that he would
he would just toss out very small ideas but
what is that remind you well
i think were
what what's that like
this is something itself what is that like what you think that some like
did you get the feeling when he is
highly present with your answer
two
yes absolutely them he was very
very much
and that's a good field where it was very much focused on what was the
exchange was what's going on
and he was
indeed it is interesting "'cause"
he was not only it's
a good interviewer and this is something was really good about how a good interview
where is listening to you rather than thinking about the next thing he's going to
say and that's exactly the way how we work
okay
exactly
another question or rubber in this paper we describe how rather than the correlation between
your account
at the same time how is clearly needed for contributions
can you say anymore have brought to see sociology next round people
clearly doesn't make connections between what to the next
you can see criticises where
howie and i think you explicitly talks about the cs theory is kind of in
inconvenient necessity
then we never
we never really in a certain in this class talked about
theory explicitly at least early on
what we talked about is what people and how it how it says that a
very often
blinds us or
the flights us from seeing what's really going on that's what's important is that
people are doing things together and how they understand what they're doing in the meaning
structure that under words that
and
if you
go into the field thinking that you're looking for
institutional power structures and things like that
where the kinds of things you more about the ins as a sociologist you're going
be very disappointed "'cause" you won't see what you will see
are people doing things together so that's what you focus on one and it is
out of that
that should begin to see certain patterns
and it's out of those patterns that you begin to make sense of what's going
on and that's out of that sense making process
you begin to develop a which crudely we can call theory
in this is the main story transition some time transition still happens in this one
because i think
that might indicate that his mel
but you know how it is
more work on the right
you know coined the term or more
right so this is related to cultural sociologist at least organisation
i use that channel where variation
to describe ways the actors
tend to shape
in used in three years it's to define the relationship between structure
but the slow to fast but also show how he's making really theoretical genius
how he was always
one two
value poking convention malady in the i
so i'm i think
that is a hunch that he's
what sometimes might be seen as an entire theory
position
it's kind of poking conventional sociology i
but
what's really important just theory rather than understanding what's going on and some kind of
real well
but it certainly
he has major responsible for developing broad range or something
the what's crudely called labelling theory is basically
you know he didn't
think it up originally but he developed at important
the collective action the whole way in which collective action works in
the art world so various other kinds of productive world is really central to work
a whole lot of people are doing
the concept of more entrepreneurs is
as you know spread too wide variety of disciplines
so i again how it was not and tie theory he was just
and tie being
taken up solely with three
so
with regard how this approach to more complex plane
one for
this notion of what you say you bring to be too close
he just behind one of sentimental you explicitly then the next close to three interested
what you three your work house and she
i really finds himself wonders is a form
for some time
otherwise not able to see that stage
i think what how it was doing in talking about sentimentality and its dangers have
a lot to do with political tender the time and all the whole bunch of
us we're going in there you know right on brother and smash the state
and
the shape
for that was interesting
but
one at all of us to avoid those
preconceptions and see that stuff is what's important
and so in that sense if the freedom derives from not be found by preconceptions
not being bound by convention l t not being down by
everyone knows is the case of one party was always attacking
but how is how it has always intact is the i d is that
what everyone knows
actually should have some weight
because what we use sociologist should do is look behind what everybody that
and you see that actually what everybody knows is
useful for song
oppressive to others and
but something that shouldn't should less be excepted
then something that is question
that's to include position is not necessary at all
exactly
and the political position
however it importantly made the distinction between
upon political position that one pass a person the as a person task
and the political position that one moves into their sociology
he was very much against the latter in very much for the former
you know is a look
what we should we don't if we think
races in this a bad thing
why in the world do we need sociology to prove that
we know what then i know i can fight against it as an individual citizen
in this society
but we don't the science to prove
oppression we don't need science to prove races and we don't need science to prove
the impression of you know gender
oppression
it we it's something that we as citizens can fight against
the that it's all that which side of you are you one notion that he
talks
final question from more
which was taken from how scepticism useful all actions label for i
just people to sociology particular just try
you might not be tall
to use it would be talking face interactions to right
we would never talk
about symbolic interaction isn't per se
and the like and
to talk about it but the theory courses and stuff but how we didn't talk
about symbolic interaction is a man and a lot of
his interview some of the center frequencies talks fairly negatively about interactions
and i think that's
because
we can see saul much of
inter the interaction is literature as getting away from what he thought was important as
getting into
the minutia of arguments about this year that only small element the theory
or
you know what need really meant by this
when he didn't have much patience for that stuff any i'd i don't think it
does i don't to get much patience for the kind of
things that came into interaction is sociology as
you know the post modernist face of interaction of sociology at the rabbits
that stuff as a
i that a bit beyond the kinds of things he was interest
and so is that one point he says well when i read symbolic interaction the
journal there's just not a lot in there that really interest me
and i think that's because it was getting away from
the basic notion of
interaction a sociology is actually what people do with each other day and a
project i think is important lesson personal
the only thing
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