so i guess
one almost all these things and he simply the data and it should draw between
the eyes just have significant this issue women women's empowerment using in achieving any connor
development outcome
or i
after that
but seriously read a tighter is quite compelling it's pretty how to go fast if
you spend any amount of time you know
worrying about
well absolutely and i mean keeping cross that at this stage is how do we
actually most one
so that through a credible research program the major difference and then i
and that's what first four
moving from just integrating and mainstreaming gender into a research
and i'm pursuing in german agenda transform approach is really going to get that's one
the fundamental barriers
you know if i think about it you know as a visible white male
be my driver's around this go back to why channel teenage years as a as
you know that was o as a as a as a family who are a
fire is evidence that it in the u k
we don't get a particular sensitivity to the two minor axes and any quality i
think that reflected more work and of l
having said that i really
it's really hit home from being in the past
find your show
just how inadequate any of the approaches to gender have been
and that's one i think that what we're doing just not see a piece of
provide a great opportunity to change the way in which the c uses here we
have
initialize systematic support for making change
a lot more piecemeal approach that's be the case and part
i mean it's interesting on the current
the claim to have a colour
de supposed impact couple of things really
kind of almost preadapted may i think for
taking this seriously in this city little stories but i still can't come back to
the model one was with more model you know when we were about twelve modify
me make it quite bright decision to actually
we find of this one thousand one much bigger thousand seven again
i remember after about your office that might not assigned to one but you know
this is the first time i've really more money
and the colour even twelve lena that really job and i think that i'm a
couple other incidents
my
that realization the
and the income discomfort by hand with a lot of gender research which just seem
to be research
translating that finally in to okay let's understand and think about what that means one
into the
i think you very important issue and i think whatever challenges that speaking
to use a whole
is how do we build
to have a actually system can back across the across the system because it is
very close but when you have a meeting gender
we have something like twenty five percent participants of the main seventy five percent participants
so it does become seen as being of as a real danger that it's as
a women's issue whereas if you go to many of the leadership meetings of the
c g universal colours you doing pretty well if you just get the reverse those
of those figures
and so one of the things i think you have to find it is to
find ways of helping people thinking or whatever worthy source stories or something or more
of these
one changing experiences "'cause" i think is almost three that the people are going to
make the source of psychological can
re driving change the required to hold the when the bottom
i somehow or the you could come up electrical
shifting in people's minds that
i know you'll to care about this and i should carry out to answer why
do not support it to something much more kind of
this or one systemic that says actually
this is just
what we need to do
to make a difference
and i in all that's in a curious n c almost
makes it obvious and not special
rather than separate and precious of syllable or whether or not ensure articulated that right
but this something about that
i hesitate decide my considering but it becoming much more of the
systemic hoc the wind we do business in a much more sustained when i have
to
get to stage where
talking about gender
is nothing special it is identical or is that we do this case that's about
you know
the into how we do things what we value
what we expected of how we talk about issues on the back to die basis
our work and aligning with the brutal thrust that transformative general approach so i guess
it's like anything else you have to
line of stocks row and my q o drawing to the same result unless you
do that it's not gonna be
otherwise we do things in the why we think about
and i think one of the ways of actually doing that is and that's the
particular interesting challenge for
i think both of those but in particular we use the director general of the
centre
it is how do we actually create incentives system
we then
within the centre to actually toward the source behaviors but with people because i think
you know we are working here it fairly a fairly profound behavioural change for a
lot of all of us
i think the more encouragement that we can see for about three performance management plans
not something the more rapid unable to find the changes will be the that will
see